2323 WATT TRIODE JBS INTEGRATED AMP WITH 6CM5.
This page contains
Informal chat about the 2323 amp development, use of the 6CM5 or EL36 and its Ra, gm, µ
best triode operating points. 6FW5 can be used as direct replacement for 6CM5 but without top cap.
Schematic for 23 watt channel, explanation notes, Schematic for power supply with notes and 2006 picture of the amp.
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What the heck is JBS?
It stands for Junk Box Special. Someone sold me a power tranny and two output trannies and a choke which they didn't find the time to use in a hi-fi project in 1960. The iron was meant for a a stereo amp using a pair of 6GW8 in UL PP,
and giving about 12 watts with wind behind it. The transformers were all Ferguson branded which were made in a Chatswood
factory located in Sydney back in the 1960s, and were most definitely of their "lo-fi" range.
Can ya believe it? they had low-fi, medium-fi and high-fi for the 3 ranges of fidelity with 3 prices of course.
Anyway, I'd been conned into buying the iron for about usd $50 in 1995 by this old dude who phoned up because he was about to be moved out to the old folks home. I though a little triodelic amping would be appropriate and proceeded to test
the iron. Choke was good, but not many henrys and I eventually didn't use it. Power tranny ran scorching hot after 2 hours unloaded, Hm, crummy old iron in this one, and not enough turns per volt. So I stripped it apart, added lots of other old iron I had laying about from the junk and re-wound the tranny with lower B, ie, more turns per volt. Ah, she run not so hot now, it would cope with 4 x 6CM5 at the same idle current as in 6GW8 in UL, but with higher Ea for triode.

The OPT were low fidelity types. Its always been my bad luck to buy old gear from guys who were
hi-class misers back in 1960, and who probably had almost zero idea about what quality was, or that wide band OPTs
were necessary for hi-fi. Nevertheless, although the bandwidth of the OPT wasn't good, and with saturation occurring at about
35Hz at 12 watts into 8ka-a, and HF cut off at about 20kHz with the 6CM5 in triode.
Obviously to me the OPT also didn't have enough turns per volt, and didn't have enough interleaving.
The dc resistances were a bit high, and the amount of iron a bit small, but heck the iron was cheap, and I made room
on the chassis to increase the iron if I ever had the time and better OPT.
I was able to stabilise the circuit with critical RC damping networks when 12dB of global NFB was applied.
Usually with any given OPT, if you have the same dc idle current  for larger more powerful tubes than the tubes it was designed for the OPT will cope OK with the increase in ac signal voltage, and will not be stressed even with twice the applied
ac voltage. This would allow 4 times the audio power. But with twice the signal voltage applied into the rated load
the frequency of saturation will double, so that instead of saturation occurring at say 40Hz it will be 80 Hz at the higher voltage.
Saturation in OPT is a voltage related phenomena. So while the amp may have saturation at 40Hz occur at 300 Vrms anode to anode which is near 12 watts into 8ka-a, at 2 watts Va-a is only 126Vrms, so saturation is at about 16Hz, and below
any normal music frequencies, so the music will not suffer at all because 2 watts of power is all most people actually use
on most days unless teenagers are present at the volume control.
I was asking to get twice the rated power from the old Fergeson transformers, so output voltage would rise
to about 1.4 times the design figures, and although Fsat would become higher, the amp wasn't ever going to be used
at high levels.  The 6CM5 triodes would provide greater control of bass and better midrange dynamics
as well as dynamic range.

6CM5 in triode gives µ = 4, Ra = 600 ohms, gm  =  6.6mA/V.
These figures mean that the anode voltage can swing quite low and unrestricted by the Ra for Eg = 0V.
I easily got  23 watts AB1 per channel even with such lossy OPT; maybe copper losses are 12% or more;
I never bothered to check that, but the power I got with Ea at only +375V was more than a pair of KT66
in triode.  I run Ia = 50mA, so anode + screen dissipation = 18.7 watts which is ok because these tube don't go cherry
red until about 28 watts is reached.  Their low data rating is because of the TV use conditions.
There are guys who have extracted 200+ watts with such tubes in RF amplifiers in class C!
I didn't want power lost in cathode resistors with the required 60V bias across the approx 1.1k Rk.
for each tube so for the class AB fixed bias was used.
I had some old 6CG7 laying around to make a driver input and long tail pair phase inverter/driver.
At first it was just a power amp but later it became integrated, and useful to lend out to people curious about
tube sound while I fixed their stuffed solid state amps. People didn't want to give it back when I rang to say their
solid state amps were repaired. Anyway, I thought if such a garbalogical amp could change people's minds about
their horrible budget Cambridge and Creek amps, then what would they think with something made with parts which
were not junk?( I found out as time went buy, but their wallets rarely agreed with their brains ). So the JBS has earned its stripes, and I learnt one of the best kept secrets about the 6CM5 :-
Although its a beam tetrode it will sound very good as a triode.
When I first built it and compared it to a pair of Quad II
amps I had repaired, the 6CM5 seemed to sound better. The 6CM5 was meant for line output in tv sets,
and capable of as much cathode current as a KT88. But anode dissipation is limited to around 18 watts in a class A or AB situation.  It could even be used as a single ended triode with about 4k anode load for about 5 watts with Ea = 375V
 and Ia = 50mA, and methinks it will out perform 2A3!
Don't try to use the tube in beam tetrode mode; it is too non linear like most high gm tubes. In the 1950-60 era Phillips did produce a couple of PA amps for supermarkets in the 1950s and 60s which used either 4 or 6 in tetrode to make
80 or 120 watts respectively.
These horrors were set up as low bias amps tetrode amps with Ea = 330V which ran mainly class B, and they had a lot of NFB. I have a couple of these amps and they are only suited for 100V lines and have no ability to be matched to 4 to 8 ohms.
They must have worked OK because women disappeared into stores to shop and didn't re-appear till hours later looking strange and dazed and having spent all their husbands earnings; such was the seductive effect of muzak via tubes!

 Ultralinear can be used where the screen taps are at 40%. Ea should never be more than +375V when in UL or triode, or else the grid bias needed becomes too negative and then the tube can runaway out of control I found, with fixed bias. So don't be tempted to run them with Ea = 425V or 450V.

Anyway, over the years I have had a lot of enquiries about the 6CM5 schematic which didn't appear on the last edition of the website; only a picture of the amp as a straight power amp appeared. So due to demand, here are the schematics
of the amp and power supply and a fresh picture of the amp with the cover grille removed.

WARNING.
6CM5 / EL36  HAVE TOP CAP CONNECTIONS WHICH HAVE +375V DC POTENTIALS.
DO NOT BUILD THIS AMP WITHOUT A WELL ATTACHED PERFORATED STEEL COVER.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!

Schematic of 2323 triode amp.

This schematic is a straight forward amplifier which takes advantage of the nice triode characteristics of the 6CM5 or EL36 to make a PP triode class AB amp with around 25 watts output. Another tube that could be used is the very little known
6FW5 which is an octal tube and exactly like 6CM5 electronically. The 6FW5 HAS NO TOP CAP and this is a
blessing because top cap connections are dangerous because people leave them exposed  and some victim will reach over and touch the +375V and maybe its your grand child.
Maybe there are some stocks of 6FW5 lurking somewhere. There would not be many on Oz but would be a lot in the US.
Meanwhile, the 6CM5/EL36 would have to do. There used to be a 6CM5 in every second TV set until HV transistors were
finally able to be made with a reliable outcome. As solid state took over from tubes the 6CM5 was one of the
last tubes to be retired in favour of silod state.

Because there is not a really high B+ for the driver stage, V3/V4 to work from and because the driver has to produce
up to about 47Vrms at lowest possible distortion I took the "dead" grid of the V3/V4 LTP to -25V because
it was available from the zener string which regulates the bias voltage and which appears in the power supply schematic.

Note the zobel networks used to stabilise the amp even with only 12dB of global NFB. Such zobels tame the gain
and reduce phase shift at HF where otherwise the gain and phase shift would allow oscillations at HF.
Depending on the OPT chosen and its shunt capacitance and leakage inductance, the values of R and C shown
will not necessarily be used. Unless you know how to build an amp with NFB so it is critically damped,
you will find your amplifier may oscillate, especially with a 0.22uF cap on the output without any R load.
So values of  C6 & R12,  C11 & R28, C12 & R29, C15 & R31, and  C14 & R30 all have to be trimmed to
values which ensure stability at HF!!!

There is also a LF gain / phase shift correction network with C5 & R11. This should always be used
regardless of how much inductance the OPT primary has.

Schematic 2323 triode amp power supply

This is very close to the original power supply.  If your chosen power transformer does not have a bias winding then
you may use a separate bias transformer using one taken from a canobolised solid state amp. I have a few old
small transformers with a 240 primary and a few windings which can be used to make a suitable voltage for doubling
and then RC filtering. The filtering of the bias circuit above is a bit excessive.
The bias voltage is also shunt regulated but really need not be regulated because when the mains voltage rises say 10%, The B+ will tend to rise since the B+ is not regulated. However the combined parallel Ra of all four output tubes is 150 ohms only, so the B+ rise with a change in mains voltage will not be much, since the source resistance of the B+ is probably much more than the Ra or the 4 tubes in parallel. To counter the rise in B+, if the grid bias is also allowed to increase with a mains rise
then the tubes tend to be biased to conduct less current by increased grid bias. I used to be fanatical about
regulating and smoothing bias circuits but it isn't always necessary in a triode amp.
But I also wanted shunt regulation of the voltage applied to control the constant current source  Q1 MJE340 for the
cathode current to V3, V4.  Again, this isn't strictly necessary if a voltage divider is used to replace the zener string
and large value caps of 1,000 uF are used as bypass caps. Such effective bypassing with humungous cap sizes is legitimate, does not spoil the music and the caps for the voltage wanted are small and cheap.

The B+ rail is not regulated. The transistors MJE340 and BU208A make it look like it is regulated but what is there is an  "electronic ripple reducer", otherwise called a capacitance amplifier but really what the bjts actually do is act
as a giant emitter follower with the two bjts connected as a darlington pair, with very low output resistance and very high
input resistance at signal frequencies. When I first built the amp it was regulated with a string of zeners to hold the
MJE340 base at about +377 V.
Some years later a friend asked me to lend the amp to him to try with a pair
of horn speakers he'd built which were about 105dB/W/M efficient. Unfortunately there was hum to be heard and I altered
the regulator to what you see above and the hum disappeared. In fact there is only 10mV of hum
at the bjt output emitter, although ripple voltage at the input of the collectors is about 11Vrms.
So the above active hum reducer acts with an attenuation factor of about 0.001.
To get the same amount of attenuation with a CLC filter with C1 = 50uF as shown, ( C2 & C3 in series, )
and C2 = 100uF, I would have to use a choke of 25H which would have been 10 times more costly than a couple
of R&C and two cheap and common bjts mounted on some scrap aluminium for a heat sink.
The mechanism of the hum persisting in the above emitter follower is because there is some ac collector hum current
current since the ripple of 11V works into the collector resistance which is perhaps about 10k. HFE of the
pair of transistors is about 200, so about 0.005 mA flows at the base and since the base resistance is 1k, about
5mV of hum must appear at the base. The passive filtering of R2 & C6 and R5 & C8 attenuate the 11Vrms of ripple
from the top of C2 by 0.00011 and in any case the resulting 1.25mV of hum at top of C8 is phase shifted by nearly 180 degrees and probably counters the hum from the collector to base resistance path.
So about a mA of ac hum current flows in the collector and so some base current must flow and since there is a 1k series base resistor, R7, there is a tiny hum voltage at the base. The 1k is needed to allow the base voltage to be quickly pulled down by the current in the four 1N4007 diodes in series between base and output if the output is ever shunted to ground in a fault.
The action of R8, 2.7 ohms acts to allow a voltage of 1.4V to be generated across itself when I out = 0.5A approx.
If this occurs the threshold voltage of 2.5V across the 4 diodes is exceeded and the base is pulled towards ground
and the excessive current should cause the mains fuse to blow.
The resistors R 2 and R5 which total 300k have a dc base input current flow so that when 230mA flows in the
collector-emitter path, base current is about 0.16mA, thus base voltage is about 50V below the voltage at the top of C2.
The transistors don't seem to be able to be killed in the circuit even if a short circuit occurs. Complicated? sure is, and much has to be considered and included in a high voltage regulator or ripple reducer or else the use of solid state as slaves to the tubes lets the smoke out of the devices, and once it has come out, it won't go back in!
If the input to the collectors is shunted to ground then current stored in C10 could flow backwards through the bjts.
This means instant death to a bjt if the reverse voltage from emitter to collector exceeds about 6V!! So hence the diode between base and collector allows any back flow to harmlessly bypass the bjts.
There is a 100 ohm series R4 rated at 10 watts on the heat sink. there is normally about 23v across this R
and about 5 watts is dissipated. About  25v is across the bjt,  so 5 watts is dissipated in the bjt.
With an increase in current, the voltage across the 100 ohms increases, and voltage across the bjt reduces, so
short circuits kill the resistor, not the bjts. The maximum current flow possible from
the 425V at top of C2 is limited to 4.25 amps. This is less than the BU208A maximum collector emitter current rating.
Series pass element regulators should always have this feature.

Maybe you are not impressed with the idea of enslaving power transistors to the whimsical current desires
from the tubes. OK, use a choke filtered B+ instead. See my pages on power supplies and follow your nose
to where I discuss the benefits of using large capacitances and smallish chokes to get a CLC input circuit with very low ripple with 470uF, 2.5H choke and 470uF with diode rectifiers. It means though that the B+ winding with a full wave bridge needs to be about 284Vrms. About 142Vrms is needed for a doubler circuit with the two input caps at 470uF each which need to
be rated for 250V each, but the same 2.5H and 470uF still follow; the 470uF can be 450V rated where there is approx
375V across the caps. Selecting a power tranny with slightly too high HT winding is better than selecting one which gives
a disappointing low B+ voltage. Having say +400V B+ at 230mA for the 2323 can easily be reduced by placing
series R between the diodes and caps to be charged to reduce the peak charging currents in high value electros
with silicon diodes. Using a B+ = +350V will give much less power.
When I wind transformers for such amplifiers I usually have about 4 taps at about 15Vrms steps in from the ends of the HT winding to accommodate different output tubes and be able to adjust the B+ voltage without using too many series
trimming resistances.

There is shunt regulation of the anode supply to the preamp input stage using a string of zener diodes at the first stage of the power amp.
This prevents any possibility of LF instability.

There is no active protection on the amp because it is a Junk Box Special and I have a lot of spare 6CM5, and if I fuse an OPT
then I won't cry too much; I'll just have to wreck another few Sundays to make replacement OPTs which would withstand
a short circuited or saturated tube for longer than the existing trannies would. The wire used in 1950/60s OPT was
usually very thin and prone to easy fusing. The use of thin transformer wire was an unscrupulous capitalist plot to maximize meagre company profits and have you come back to buy again later. ( But when transistors displaced tubes in 1960, no wonder people happily threw out their parked and defunct tube amps. And the strange thing was that although the costs
of early SS amps was much cheaper they initially sold for very little less than the tube amps they replaced ).
 
If I was keen I would place 200mA fuses into each cathode circuit on each output tube.
These should blow if a tube saturates and thus save the OPT but maybe not. I am wary of fuses because they don't
always blow when you want them to.
See my other pages on active protection.

The amp in 2006. It gave no troubles after 11 years, and in 2009 it still goes fine.
Even the black felt pen markings on transformer tape is easily readable.
2323 integrated stereo triode amp 6CM5.

The power transformer at the rear has a 75mm stack of 38 tongue E&I lams using questionable core material.
Even with the B reduced from about 1.1 Tesla used in 1960 to 0.9 Tesla the core still gets quite warm in hot weather.
I have piles of this iron from old trannies I have stripped down but I will now only use it in chokes.

The damned ugly aluminium "thinge" in the middle of the chassis at the front is an early attempt of mine to farnarkle
solid state devices to work as willing slaves to their masters which are the tubes surrounding the "thing".
( Farnarkling is a Sunday R&D process which means you keep trying to get something to work and not let smoke out
before dinner time. Usually such things take to dinner time on Monday to get right. )
The "Thing" is a bit of channel section with a heat sink insulated and mounted inside the channel. The high voltage transistors with B+ on the collectors are also well insulated in their mounting so they are double insulated from the channel which is at 0V.
Gradual breakdown of insulation between bjts at 400V and metal heat sinking at 0V is almost inevitable at some time
and I have fixed a few commercially made amps with such problems such as a high end Centrepoint amp.
Using TWO insulation washers and plenty of silicon sealant around the TO3  bjt and where the base and emitter pins
project through the 5mm holes in the sink metal is essential to prevent little tiny leaks of current which can destroy a solid state device so easily.
I found the size of the ripple reducer to be a bit excessive, but at least it runs cooler than if I'd been a miser and made it
too small. 

Keep the home triodes burning!

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